Why is this so random and inconsistent?

“Why can my neighbour park on the footpath and never get booked but my daughter and her boyfriend get booked. My other neighbour gets booked but they park on the footpath almost every day. Why is this so random and inconsistent .”

“I would say your neighbour is a friend of parking warden”

“one would think the parking warden would be rapidly running out of friends now. We have a similar situation in Palmwoods where it appears there is one friend left.”

Inspectors fining for verge parking in the sleepy townships of Glasshouse and Beerwah

“Council Superstars issuing warning tickets in Beerwah again today.
Guy down the road had two wheels just on the grass and had warning notice on his windscreen. Have they not got anything better to do??”

“I did notice that two cars here had warning notices on their windscreen.. Whilst a warming is better then a fine why can’t they park where they were? They wernt blocking any thing or anyone. Pathetic I think.”

“Common sense needs to be used by all concerned. If everyone parked on the roads as they suggested emergency vehicles would never get through. The council approved the width of roads on this estate so will they be held accountable if this situation occurs ?”

“Council workers in glasshouse mt spotted 6 mins giving tickets out to cars park on the grass/curb”

 

there is no pathway they are blocking if the cars park up on the grass

it doesnt make sense, there is no pathway they are blocking if the cars park up on the grass, its better for road users as its a blind corner on fitzwilliam drive towards claymore rd and is the main thoroughfare for dozens of cars, morning and afternoon and these cars are there parked almost every day can be up to 4 cars, so can be a real obstacle course

Council can always have a separate by-law if they wanted to

“As I understand the real problem are the subdivision design rules from Australian Standards. Councils must comply to these therefore the problem is Australia wide. This group should be renamed and the problem needs to be highlighted to federal politicians.”

“Yes,however, i think you will find that the rules specify the MINIMUM road width. Council can always have a separate by-law if they wanted to.ensure that the streets were wide enough for the volume of traffic.”

the only people responsible are the council and the developers

“You honestly cannot safely drive more than 35 in Bells Reach estate and some drive at 60 cut corners and I live on one – scary place to be on the road in peek traffic times.
The other day I saw someone parked ON the corner when there was straight street frontage they could have used.
It is dangerous and crazy and the only people responsible are the council and the developers.
I have asked and asked for slow speed signs and they fall back on 100 year old laws that dont fit these narrow roads with no parking.”

“Agree council should be making life easier not harder”

“It is not in their DNA apparently. They all need to be dismissed, including most of the staff – the woman parking police who came around this estate was an absolute screaming ranting bully.”

What its like for residents to park in Sippy Downs

“This isnt about council giving fines for cars parked, however the cars used to park up on the grass around a corner at Sippy Downs now they no longer do and i had to slam on brakes wasnt speeding and cars coming from other direction werent doing anything illegal, if i hadnt have stopped would have had a head on collision thankyou developers and council for making the roads in our estates dangerous. It seems they prefer people to have accidents than to avoid them doesnt
make sense. NEED TO ADD never had a speeding fine or been in an accident been driving for 32 years”

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noting the difference between legislation and enforcement

I think we also should be quite forceful in noting the difference between legislation and enforcement.
All Statutes contain a penalty provision, usually in the form of “Penalty Units” (currently $126.15 per unit in QLD) however there is no requirement under Statute for the penalty to be applied… it is discretionary and it is a requirement for the enforcement agency (Council in this case) to factor individual and case specific circumstances.

bylaws could be introduced locally

The legislation does need to be brought into line but that in itself could be a long process as it’s State Govt legislation. 🙁

If bylaws could be introduced locally, as I understand has been done by other Councils, to provide amnesty in certain areas, this could perhaps be a quicker process.

had a very interesting chat with a prominent builder in these Stockland developments

Just had a very interesting chat with a prominent builder in these Stockland developments and he was sympathetic towards Stockland being over targeted on what he is adamant is a money grab from council.

Yes…. they are the developers and have what we all regard as inadequate parking facilities but they in turn are just doing what the state government legislation is allowing them. And myself being a foundation resident of the first street built in Bells Reach Drive,(by the way…the roads were not even finished when we bought, so had no idea of the parking problem to come), We have watched this whole area progress to this stage.

After walking the streets of the newer sections of Bells Reach, Arbor and Aura TALKING TO TRADIES AND GATHERING THEIR STORIES i have noted that they have definitely improved the situation by way of parking bays on some of the more arterial streets, although they still have a problem with the side streets.

My point being although Stockland are the designers, it is definitely the Council that are taking advantage of the outdated ( 23 YEARS) to be exact legislation. SO MAYBE WE CAN GET THIS UPDATED TO SUIT THE TIMES OF HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENTS.

QLD Government Department of Transport and Main Roads Technical note 138 – “Verge Parking and Idented Parking

I think the reference at the end of this extract may help – It’s from the QLD Government Department of Transport and Main Roads Technical note 138 – “Verge Parking and Idented Parking”:

1 Purpose and scope of this technical note

The purpose of this technical note is to provide guidance on the use of verge parking and indented parking. This parking is typically provided between the kerb line and property boundary, and can be a cost effective retrofit measure to relocate parking from the road pavement to the verge in order to make space for other use of the road space (such as on-road bicycle lanes).
Currently there is no technical guidance on the provision of verge and/or indented parking, and therefore this parking type may be less utilised as a treatment option. The pavement markings and signage requirements for on-road parking are addressed in the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD) Part 11: Parking, whilst the Austroads Guide to Traffic Management Part 11: Parking addresses many types of on and off street car parking but provision of car parking within the verge is not covered. As well as a parking issue, this is also an issue of the design of the ‘Roadside Environment’. This technical note is a supplement to Section 4.4 of the Austroads Guide to Road Design Part 6B: Roadside Environment.
1.1 Introduction
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Word from an Ex-Firey

Hopefully a workable compromise for the community and for Council (noting Council are the community and really should reflect our wishes on this topic) –

Where streets are so narrow that parking fully on the roadway poses an unacceptable risk to other traffic, emergency vehicles or other members of the community, an allowance should be made to permit partial parking on the verge so as to keep the roadway as clear and navigable as possible.
Such partial parking would mean the vehicle is not parked entirely on the verge, but neither is it parked entirely on the roadway. Two wheels on each.

My experience navigating fire appliances around urban streets suggests that any road less than 6 metres in width with cars fully parked on the roadway poses an unacceptable hazard to personnel and the general public and that parking on the verge should be permitted. Continue reading “Word from an Ex-Firey”

The only way to fix the existing situation IMHO, is to work around the regulations as opposed to complying with them

I am with XXXXX with regard to the language used in this letter. There is a lot of “lawful” and “unlawful” innuendo but I believe the crux of it is in the 2nd to last paragraph of the letter which states:

>> enable Council to ensure it determines a best practice approach to parking management on road verges that reflects the best interests of our region, COMPLIES WITH THE STATE GOVERNMENT AND COUNCIL “REGULATORY” FRAMEWORK and supports the ongoing safety of the local community.<<

Very easy to miss but the literal meaning of this is a complete contradiction in terms because it simply isn’t possible to satisfy all these things in existing suburban developments under existing legislation. Even their last bullet point asks if we have any suggestions for road verge parking that are “lawful” and “appropriate”.
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The Council should liase with the land owners first to try and rectify the problem

The problem with verges is parking on them is illegal under state law.
So we need the changes to come from the enforcement section to only issue fines as a last resort.
The Council should liase with the land owners first to try and rectify the problem.
Ultimately the developers should be forced to fix the problem they created but Council has found a cash cow that it is happy to maintain so is happy to just go with the flow so to speak.
The Council are that busy enforcing this that they are putting poorly qualified criminals out on the streets to issue tickets just to keep the revenue flowing. This isn’t helping but at least it is getting us all together to demand changes.

When we appealed the fine we were asked to provide the receipt for the battery

As far as I’m concerned there really is only one solution and that is to allow some parking on nature strips.
Also relax the enforcement of the existing laws.

For example when we received our first fine for parking on the nature strip my partners car actually had a flat battery.
Rather than leave it on the road where we thought it would be dangerous it was left parked on the nature strip, not impeding anyone walking by or dangerous to anyone.
When we appealed the fine we were asked to provide the receipt for the battery which of course my partner could not find.
So in these cases we ask the council to be fair and reasonable.

any care or common sense?

I think the council are the ones that need to be coming up with some ideas.
There have been enough instances of where people have been booked and clearly the fine has been nothing short of ridiculous- breaking a law yes but any care or common sense utilised by the council officers booking these cars, trailers etc – none whatsoever.